[5. PUBLIC NOTICE: DUE TO LACK OF QUORUM FOR COMMISSIONERS COURT OF MAY 27TH, 2025, COMMISSIONERS COURT WILL BE HELD EARLIER ON FRIDAY, MAY 23RD, 2025 AT 9:00 AM IN THE REGULAR LOCATION, SAN PATRICIO COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE ANNEX, COMMISSIONERS COURTROOM AT 1301 E. SINTON STREET, SUITE C, SINTON, TX.]

YARDLEY SAID, I WILL GIVE YOU THE UPDATE FOR THE MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND ON MEMORIAL DAY, WHICH WILL BE NEXT MONDAY. WE WILL NOT BE HAVING COMMISSIONERS COURT BECAUSE MOST OF US ARE GOING TO BE AT CONFERENCE STUFF. SO COMMISSIONERS COURT FOR THAT WEEK IS GOING TO BE THIS FRIDAY.

AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S GOING TO BE A MINIMUM COMMISSIONERS COURT SO WE CAN GET THE PAYROLL DONE, BILLS PAY AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THIS. SO IF YOU KNOW OF ANYBODY AND FORGET ABOUT IT, GO ON TO THE WEBSITE. IT'S POSTED ON THE WEBSITE RIGHT THERE IN THE FRONT. OKAY. GOING AHEAD AND

[1. Approval of minutes]

MOVING ON. 2.1 IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING. ELIZABETH. MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND MOTION. CORKY SECONDED BY YEARLY FOR APPROVAL. ANY CORRECTIONS? ADDITIONS TO THOSE MINUTES. HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN.

[a. Examination, consideration, and action on approval of all claims against San Patricio County Pursuant to section 113.064, Texas Local Government Code.]

MOTION CARRIES FINANCIAL AGENDA 2.28. EXAMINATION, CONSIDERATION AND ACTION OF ALL CLAIMS AGAINST MEMBERS OF COUNTY. JUDGE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PAY THE BILLS AGAINST THE COUNTY. I'LL SECOND WITH DISCUSSION. OKAY. MOTION SECONDED BY SIKORSKY WITH DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER. WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT. THIS BEING OUR 21ST WEEK IN, IN OFFICE FOR A COUPLE OF US AND.

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SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE SEE, WE DON'T SEE, WE SEE THE AGENDA ON THURSDAY EVENING, IT COMES OUT. THE BILLS DON'T COME OUT UNTIL PROBABLY LATE FRIDAY OR SATURDAY MORNING. I GOT TO SPEND THE WEEKEND, MY OFFICE, LOOKING OVER THE 35 PAGES OF BILLS AND WE NEED TO PAY. AND I'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH THE JUDGE, AND I ALSO TALKED WITH THE AUDITOR LOOKING AT SOMETHING TO CHANGE ON THIS SO WE CAN GET THE BILLS OUT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. AND THAT'LL BE FOR THEM TO EXPLAIN OUT THERE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION WAS WHEN A DEPARTMENT BASICALLY GOES FROM 2500, AN AVERAGE PER WEEK WITH THEIR EXPENDITURES ARE AND SUDDENLY I SEE A BILL FOR 17,000. I QUESTIONED IT, AND I STARTED LOOKING AT SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THERE. AND THIS THIS ONE HAPPENED TO BE WEEK ON ON THINGS THAT IT STANDS FOR WOMEN'S INFANTS AND CHILDREN. BUT YET I KNOW WE'RE DOING PROMOTIONAL ITEMS OF LANYARDS, SUNGLASSES, YOU KNOW, THINGS. YOU KNOW, I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE DIAPERS, CHILDREN'S FORMULA, THINGS LIKE THAT WITH A STICKER ON IT SAYS SAMPAT COUNT, WICK OR WHATEVER. BUT COMPUTER POUCHES AND GARDEN BOOTS, CAMERAS, CHARGING BLOCKS, LAPTOP CASES. AND I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE LUGGAGE THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION THE FIRST TIME AROUND, AND I FOUND OUT THAT IT WAS TO CHARGE TO TAKE THE LUGGAGE ON THE AIRPLANES. BUT UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN, YOU KNOW, TAMPERS, PRUNING PRUNERS, GARDEN BENCHES, PLANT STAKES, GREENHOUSES, RAISED BED GARDENS. I WOULD EXPECT THAT AT AGRILIFE EXTENSION. BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO WOMEN'S CHILDREN, I, I KNOW THEY'VE GOT SOME GARDENING STUFF GOING ON. I DIDN'T KNOW TO THAT EXTENT. SO I'M QUESTIONING THOSE THINGS RIGHT NOW AND ALSO ON MILEAGE. I MEAN, I'M SEEING I LOOK BACK AT THE LAST 21 WEEKS AND I'M SEEING FOUR, FIVE, SIX, $700 IN MILEAGE. YET I LOOK OUT FRONT AND I SEE ALL THESE VEHICLES THAT ARE MOTOR POOL NOT BEING USED. THEY NEVER MOVE. THEY'RE THEY'RE SITTING OUT FRONT. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE COUNTY VEHICLES THAT COULD BE USED IN DEPARTMENTS. MAYBE WE CAN FIND A WAY. I'M A CONSERVATIVE, FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE PERSON. YOU KNOW, I'M A TYPE OF PERSON THAT'S NOT GOING TO STAY AT HOST HOTEL. MOST OF THE TIME. I'LL STAY AT A MOTEL SIX IF I HAVE TO, TO SAVE THE COUNTY MONEY. AND WHEN I SEE THESE VEHICLES SITTING AND NOT BEING UTILIZED, I MEAN, I HAVE PEOPLE COMING TO MY OFFICE FROM DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE USING PERSONAL VEHICLES, YET THEY HAVE THE VEHICLES SITTING OUT FRONT. SO I'LL GET OFF MY SOAPBOX. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M I'M ASKING FOR A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON SOME OF THESE THINGS AND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THESE BILLS THAT WE GET. AND I WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT WE'RE WE'RE OUT THERE LOOKING AT THESE THINGS AND DEPARTMENTS, Y'ALL PAY ATTENTION WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN FOR, BECAUSE I MAY ASK SOME QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. I AGREE, COMMISSIONER, I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW MANY OUT OF TOWN TRIPS THAT WICK DEPARTMENT HAS TAKEN FROM JANUARY TO MAY. WE GET A LIST OF THAT, JUDGE? YES, WE CAN, AND I'LL MAKE A POINT TO GET WITH THE DIRECTOR. SEE IF WE CAN HAVE A MEETING WITH HER AND GET HER TO EXPLAIN SOME OF THIS AS TO WHY THIS THING IS GETTING OUT OF HAND. WELL, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WICK IS WOMEN, INFANTS AND CHILDREN, THEY GET STATE FEDERAL FUNDING, BUT THOSE ARE TAX DOLLARS, FOLKS. THERE'S MY TAX DOLLARS AND YOURS JUST JUST THE LOCAL TAXES. OKAY, SO, JUDGE, I DID TALK TO MR. WENDELL PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THE TIMING OF WHEN THESE THINGS ACTUALLY GET POSTED. AND FOR A WHILE IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS THE BILLS WERE GETTING POSTED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. NOW WE'VE KIND OF FALLEN BACK TO THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO REVIEW THEM. YOU KNOW, I'M DOING IT VERY EARLY MONDAY MORNING OR OVER THE WEEKEND, WHICH DOESN'T THEN ALLOW TIME FOR QUESTIONS ON THINGS. SO I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A WAY TO SPEED UP THAT PROCESS. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR OWN INTERNAL DEADLINES AND STUFF THERE, BUT IT WOULDN'T MAKE IT MUCH EASIER FOR US IF WE COULD REVIEW IT SOMETIME BEFORE THE WEEKEND. I'VE TALKED WITH THE AUDITOR, AND HE SAID HE'S WILLING TO MOVE UP THE DATE A DAY EARLIER, BUT NOT START UNTIL MID-JUNE. TILL, YOU KNOW, WE GET OFF IN THESE THESE SHORT

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MEETINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE COMING UP. BUT BY MOVING IT UP A DAY AS A CUTOFF FOR PAYING THE BILLS WOULD GIVE US TIME TO ACTUALLY REVIEW AND BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS ON FRIDAY WHEN THE FOLKS ARE STILL HERE AND DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE STILL HERE AND NOT ON THE WEEKEND. SO WE CAN ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AND VERIFY WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR. PATRICK, HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT? DO YOU WANT COMMISSIONERS COURT ACTION OR DO YOU JUST WAN? WELL, WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IS SETTING UP A WORKING A MEMO UP. AND WE WOULD START THE MEETING OF JUNE 9TH AND PAYABLES WOULD BE DUE WEDNESDAY AT NOON FOR THE NEXT MONDAY MEETING STARTING JUNE 9TH. SO JUNE 4TH WOULD BE THE FIRST CUT OFF, WOULD BE THAT FIRST NEW CUT OFF DATE AT NOON, AND THEN WE'D HAVE PAYABLES OUT THURSDAY TO GO THURSDAY AFTERNOON TO GO WITH THE AGENDA SO THEY CAN BE ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA, ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA. AS FAR AS I'VE BEEN HERE, I THINK WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THEM. I UNDERSTAND IT'S USUALLY FRIDAY MID AFTERNOON. I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER BEEN SATURDAY MORNING. I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I DON'T THINK IT HAS. BUT TYPICALLY WE ALWAYS HAVE THEM UP. BEFORE TRICIA AND DEBBIE LEAVE. SECOND AGENDA ON FRIDAY, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO JUNE, TO THE WEDNESDAY AT NOON TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA ON THURSDAY. NEVER GETS RELEASED. YEAH, I LOOKED AT FOR AFTERNOON ON FRIDAY. IT WAS NOT THERE AND I WAITED TILL SATURDAY MORNING TO LOOK AT IT. AND THEN I CAME TO THE OFFICE AND SAT DOWN AND PERUSED. OKAY. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. A MOTION. ANY AGENDA TO APPROVE? ACTIONS OF ALL CLAIMS AGAINST THE COUNTY? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. 2.2 B IS OUR BUDGET LINE ITEM TRANSFERS. WE

[b. Consideration and action on Budget Line Items, Transfers, and Amendments.]

[c. Consideration and action on accepting bank reconciliation, investment reports, and related matters by County Treasurer. ]

HAVE NONE THIS MORNING. 2.2 C BANK RECONCILIATION, MISS GARCIA. GOOD MORNING JUDGE. GOOD MORNING. COMMISSIONERS. THIS WEEK'S HEALTH TRANSFER IS $119,900. OUR SECTION 125 TOTAL IS $6,081.21. WE HAVE FOUR ASSERTED CLAIMS FOR A TOTAL OF $6,616.30 IN OUR ESCROW TOTALS, $1,627.13. QUESTIONS. I'LL MOVE TO ACCEPT THE TREASURER'S REPORT AS PRESENTED. SECOND MOTION BY SECOND BY ZAGORSKI TO ACCEPT TREASURER'S REPORT IS PRESENTED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION SAY AYE. AYE, AYE. OPPOSED. SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

[3. Consent Agenda: All Consent Agenda items listed are considered to be routine by the Commissioners Court. Members of the Commissioners Court have been furnished documentation on each item, and all such items may be acted upon by one vote without being discussed separately unless requested by County Judge or a Commissioner:]

OKAY. GOING INTO OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE COURT THAT NEEDS EITHER ONE, SOME OF ONE OR MORE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA TO DISCUSS? OKAY. HEARING NONE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO ON THROUGH 2.3 A IS ACCEPT AND RECORD CONTINUOUS EDUCATION HOURS FOR RUBEN GONZALEZ, PRECINCT THREE COUNTY COMMISSIONER FOR 13 HOURS ON THE 67TH ANNUAL YOUNG SCHOOL FOR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT, BRYAN, TEXAS, FEBRUARY 18TH TO THE 20TH OF 2025 2.3 B IS ACCEPTING RECORD COUNTY AUDITOR MONTHLY UNAUDITED FINANCIAL REPORT FOR THE MONTH ENDING APRIL 30TH, 2025. 2.3 C CONSIDERATION AND ACTION TO APPROVE THE AIRPORT HANGAR LEASE AT INGLESIDE REGIONAL AIRPORT. CAMPBELL PORTER BETWEEN SAN PATRICIO COUNTY AND THE FOLLOWING C 12 COLLIN KINNEY EFFECTIVE MAY 15TH, 2025. 2.3 IS CONSIDERATION AND ACTION TO APPROVE THE ASSIGNMENT OF CAMPBELL PORTER AIRPORT LEASE GROUND LEASE ASSESSMENT BETWEEN ALFRED EVANS JUNIOR AND DON CAMPBELL AVIATION FOR HANGAR 42.3 E IS ACCEPTING RECORD EXECUTED TEX DOT ADVANCED FUNDING AGREEMENT FOR COUNTY ROAD 1214 BRIDGE REPLACEMENT LOCATED IN PRECINCT ONE. MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS 2.2 A THROUGH. E SECOND MOTION SECONDED BY GONZALEZ FOR APPROVAL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. SAME SIGN. MOTION

[a. Consideration and action on request from Pam Hill, Elections Administrator, to paying election judges $14.00/hour and election clerks $12.00/hour as approved in the 2025 budget.]

CARRIES. OKAY. GOING INTO INDIVIDUAL ACTION ITEMS, FIRST ONE ON THE AGENDA IS CONSIDERATION. ACTION REQUEST FOR PAM HILL, ELECTION ADMINISTRATOR TO PAY ELECTION JUDGES $14 AN HOUR AND ELECTION CLERKS $12 AN HOUR IS APPROVED IN THE 2025 BUDGET. PAM. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. THIS WAS PUT ON MY BUDGET FOR 2025. WHEN I ASKED

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IF EVERYTHING WAS APPROVED, IT WAS. BUT PERSONNEL AND AUDITOR'S OFFICE DID NOT HAVE OUR TREASURER'S OFFICE DIDN'T HAVE THOSE RATES. AND SO I'M JUST HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE PUT UP INTO PERSONNEL ACTION AND TO THE TREASURER'S OFFICE SO THAT THEY HAVE THEM. ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT ANY TIME WE CONTRACT WITH AN ENTITY, WE CHARGE BACK THE FULL AMOUNT THAT WE PAY ANY OF THE ELECTION WORKERS, CITY OR SCHOOL MAY REQUEST THAT WE PAY A DIFFERENT AMOUNT. THEY MAY REQUEST THAT WE PAY HIGHER. SO WHATEVER THEY REQUEST, WE GET FULLY BACK FROM THEM. MOTION TO APPROVE 2.48 SECOND. SECOND QUESTION I NEED AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THE MONEY WAS IN THE BUDGET, BUT THE SALARY ITSELF WAS NOT APPROVED BY THE COURT. SO I NEED TO KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE MAKING EFFECTIVE TODAY OR IF IT'S GOING TO BE RETRO, BECAUSE THESE THESE EMPLOYEES HAVE ALREADY WORKED THIS TIME. IT NEEDS TO BE RETRO BECAUSE IT WAS APPROVED RETRO. THE MONEY WAS APPROVED, NOT THE HOURLY RATE BY THIS COURT. AND IT WAS PUT ON THE BUDGET BECAUSE I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE LOOKED AT THE BUDGET THAT I PRESENTED, AND IT WAS THERE, I THINK THIS YEAR, WITH THE NEW FORMS THAT PATRICK IS WANTING, IT WILL HELP CLARIFY ALL OF THAT. I WILL AMEND MY MOTION ON 2.38 TO EFFECTIVE DATE OF JANUARY 1ST, 2025. SECOND. SECOND. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY.

SORRY TO INTERRUPT. I'M HAVING A DEBATE WITH NORMA. NORMA, CAN YOU COME HERE, PLEASE? THERE'S A LEGAL ISSUE ON THAT. WHERE WE ARE, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PAY RETROACTIVELY UNLESS IT'S FOR.

THERE'S ONE EXCEPTION, I BELIEVE, AND IT'S FOR ADMINISTRATIVE ERROR. AND SO IS THIS ADMINISTRATIVE ERROR OR IS THIS OKAY? SO OKAY. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO CLEAR UP. THANK YOU. SO WHEN PATRICK WAS PRESENTED THE MONEY IS IN THE BUDGET. BUT EVERY YEAR THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE BRINGS THE LIST OF ALL THE SALARY, THE DETAILED PART. THAT'S THE PART THAT WASN'T DONE. I AGREE, BUT IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET FOR LAST YEAR. AND BASICALLY IT WAS BY THE COURT. I WAS NOT HERE, BUT THE COURT APPROVED THE MONEY IN THOSE RATES. SO THAT'S A IT WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE ERROR. WE NEED TO MAKE IT EFFECTIVE AS OF JANUARY 1ST. SO, MR. DORSEY, ANY ISSUES WITH THIS? NO, SIR. THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP. I JUST HAVE TO HAVE THE COURT'S APPROVAL. WHEN WE DO SOMETHING ON AN ADMINISTRATIVE PART. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND PAY. THE JUDGES AND ELECTION CLERK, RETROACTIVE TO JANUARY 1ST OF 2025. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY.

[b. Consideration and action on a request from Chesca Newman, County Purchasing Coordinator, authorizing the Auditor's Office to go out for a Re-Bid on RFP2025-004 IT Back Up Storage. ]

2.4 B I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND READ 2.4 B BUT AFTER I GET THROUGH READING IT I'LL NEED A MOTION TO TAKE NO ACTION ON CONSIDERATION. ACTION. ON A REQUEST FROM CHANCELLOR NEWMAN COUNTY PURCHASING COORDINATOR AUTHORIZING THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE TO GO OUT ON A REBID OF RFP 2025 ZERO ZERO FOR BACKUP STORAGE, I NEED A MOTION FOR NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN. MOTION ON 2.4 B WITH NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN. A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND. GONZALEZ. ANY QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SAME SIGN CARRIED 2.4 C

[c. Discussion, consideration and action on request from Scott Marion, County EMC/Fire Marshal to enter into a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ) for staging equipment during emergency events.]

IS DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION AND ACTION ON A REQUEST FROM SCOTT MARION COUNTY EMC FIRE MARSHAL TO ENTER INTO A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY FOR STAGING EQUIPMENT DURING EMERGENCY EVENTS. ONE JUDGE COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS AN AGREEMENT THAT WE HAD IN PLACE IN THE PAST, BUT WHEN I READ THROUGH IT, IT LEFT A LOT OF LIABILITY OPEN TO THE COUNTY. SO I SPOKE TO THE TO THE T-C-E-Q. THEY WERE AMENABLE TO ME REWRITING IT TO SORT OF TIGHTEN IT UP FOR THE COUNTY. IT WAS APPROVED BY CHRIS DORSEY. SO

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THIS IS JUST APPROVING IT TO PUT A NEW CONTRACT IN PLACE. MOTION TO APPROVE 2.4. SIX. MOTION SECONDED BY CHARLIE FOR APPROVAL. ANY QUESTIONS? SCOTT. HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIED 2.4 D IS DISCUSSION

[d. Discussion, consideration and action on request from Ruben Gonzales, Commissioner Precinct # 3 on a project with the SPC Drainage District to improve the low water crossing on County Road 696 (old CR 24), located 360ft east of County Road 1441 (old CR 21) with a financial commitment from San Patricio County in the amount of $62,840, which represents 50% of the total project costs. ]

CONTROLLER ACTION ON A REQUEST FROM RUBEN GONZALEZ, COMMISSIONER PRECINCT THREE ON THE PROJECT, THE SAN PATRICIO COUNTY DRAINAGE DISTRICT TO APPROVE THE LOW WATER CROSSING ON COUNTY ROAD 696, LOCATED 360FT EAST OF COUNTY ROAD 1441, WITH A FINANCIAL COMMITMENT FROM SAN PATRICIO COUNTY IN THE AMOUNT OF $62,840, WHICH REPRESENTS 50% OF THE TOTAL PROJECT COST. YES. MOTION TO APPROVE 2.4 D. SECOND, THAT MOTION BY SIKORSKY. SECOND BY CHARLIE. ANY QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE. AYE. THOSE

[e. Presentation, discussion and possible action on request from Steven Gonzalez, I.S. Manager, I.S. Department, on report on research for possible cell phones plan to be used countywide. This was tabled from February 3, 2025 Commissioners Court]

OPPOSED SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. 2.4 E IS PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE REQUEST FROM STEVEN GONZALEZ IS MANAGER IS DEPARTMENT ON A REPORT ON RESEARCH A POSSIBLE CELL PHONE PLAN TO BE USED COUNTYWIDE. THIS WAS TABLED FROM THE FEBRUARY 3RD, 2025 COMMISSIONERS COURT MOTION TO BRING IT BACK ON THE TABLE. SECOND MOTION BY SECOND BY GONZALEZ TO RETURN TO THE TABLE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. STEVEN. GOOD MORNING. JUDGE. COMMISSIONERS. AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO BRING UP THE DISCUSSION OF CELL PHONE USE FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS, DEPARTMENT HEADS AND TALKING WITH YOURSELF, JUDGE AND THE AUDITOR. THERE'S A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT SAVINGS FROM PHONE ALLOWANCE TO ADOPT A CELL PHONE PLAN FOR THE COUNTY. I THINK I SHARED EVERYBODY WITH THE ALL THE QUOTES AND THEN THE NUMBERS. I'VE TALKED TO PATRICK AND I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT OF THE SAVINGS THAT COULD HELP THE COUNTY. SO I JUST NEED SOME APPROVAL TO SEE HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH THIS JUDGE. WE CAN DO A VOLUNTEER BASE. I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. JUDGE. YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT MANDATORY. NOT RIGHT NOW. I DON'T THINK SO, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A FEW PEOPLE THAT DEFINITELY WANT IT. I THINK LET THEM VOLUNTEER AND LET US DO SOMETHING FOR THE COUNTY. CORRECT. YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT ONE PHONE TO CARRY AROUND, THAT'S FINE IF THEY WANT TO. I'VE LEARNED TO CARRY TWO PHONES AROUND HERE FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS, AND IT'S NOT AFTER YOU GET USED TO IT. IT'S NOT A BIG ISSUE. YES, SIR.

SO THIS IS WITH T-MOBILE, RIGHT? FROM ALL THE THREE VENDORS. I THINK T-MOBILE KIND OF STEPPED UP AND ACTUALLY HAVE WHAT WE NEED AS FAR AS THE MANAGEMENT PIECE. JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF INSIGHT ON THAT QUOTE, THERE IS A ONE TIME COST FOR THE SETUP OF THE MANAGEMENT PIECE THAT IT WILL PAY FOR. AFTER THAT, IT WILL BE MRC FROM T-MOBILE WITH INCLUDING THE MANAGEMENT SERVICE MOTION TO APPROVE 2.4 ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS FOR DEPARTMENT HEADS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS FOR CELL PHONE PLAN. SO I'LL SECOND WITH SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION. YES, SIR. SO AS OF FRIDAY, I HAD THE TREASURER'S OFFICE RUN A REPORT AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE 213 PEOPLE CURRENTLY GETTING A CELL PHONE ALLOWANCE. SO ON YOUR QUOTES. SO LET'S LOOK AT THE T-MOBILE ONE TWO YEAR CONTRACT $134,483. SO HOW MANY USERS IS THAT FOR? HOW DO I SEE THAT ON HERE? SO THE WAY I DID IT, I THIS IS AN OLDER QUOTE. SO IF YOU TAKE OUT THE ONE PER DEVICE 47.99 AND THEN YOU DO IT PER MONTH AND THEN PER YEAR. SO FOR PER MONTH IT'S 5.75 FOR ONE DEVICE. AND THEN WITH THE MANAGEMENT PIECE IT COMES OUT TO 665 FOR ONE DEVICE. SO HOW MUCH IS THAT THEN FOR THE YEAR FOR EVERYBODY. THAT WOULD BE PER DEVICE FOR EVERYBODY. THEN JUST IF YOU JUST TIME 665 WITH 213 USERS. I HAD 180 BECAUSE THAT WAS A WHILE BACK WHEN I TALKED TO PATRICK THAT THAT'S HOW MANY WE HAD BACK THEN. YEAH. JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE'S PROBABLY THERE'S A MAYBE

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HALF OF THOSE 200 ARE $65 ALLOWANCE. IT'S ABOUT 780 A YEAR. ANOTHER PROBABLY 80 OR SO OR $50. AND THERE'S A FEW AT 100, BUT AND JUST CLARIFY, I KNOW TALKING TO THE SHERIFF OR JUST NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SERVICE AND THAT'D BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT TOO. I KNOW, I KNOW SHERIFF HAS HAD TROUBLE, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS WELL AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH. AND I THINK VOLUNTARY BASIS WOULD BE GOOD. DEFINITELY THE WAY TO GO. AND IF IT WORKS, YOU KNOW, THEN MAYBE OTHER PEOPLE WILL CATCH ON. THERE COULD BE THERE'S POTENTIAL SAVINGS FOR SURE IN THERE, BUT JUST DEPENDS ON MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THE SERVICES AS WELL. RIGHT. SO THE NUMBERS I KIND OF WENT OVER OVER THE WEEKEND. THERE'S DEFINITELY SAVINGS POTENTIAL HERE. SO I GUESS IT COMES DOWN TO HOW WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAD INPUT FROM ANY OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS ON THEIR THOUGHTS ON THIS. I MEAN, SHERIFF, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE A LARGE DEPARTMENT. MY CONCERN THAT I BROUGHT UP TO STEVE AND I THINK MAYBE THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS WAS OBVIOUSLY EACH DIFFERENT CELL PHONE CARRIER HAS DIFFERENT COVERAGE IN OUR COUNTY, AND I KNOW THERE ARE SOME KNOWN DEAD SPOTS DEPENDING ON WHICH CARRIER YOU'RE ON. WHAT I HATE TO DO IS SIGN UP FOR SOMETHING THAT TURNS OUT DOESN'T WORK IN MY PRECINCT OR MY PRECINCT BARN, AND THAT KIND OF CREATES A PROBLEM. SO IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN THE T-MOBILE, I FORGET WHAT THEY CALL IT, BUT THEIR THEIR PRIORITY. YES. YEAH. THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT REALLY KIND OF REACHED OUT AND TOOK THE INITIATIVE ABOUT TRYING TO CATER TO US AS FAR AS SERVICE. AND THEIR TOP PRIORITY IS SET UP RIGHT NOW FOR IT. THEY CAN ACTUALLY JUST THE TEXT MESSAGES WILL NEVER DROP AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A WI-FI OR IF IN CASE OF A DISASTER, THEY CAN ACTUALLY TRANSFER THE TOWERS SO THAT WE CAN STILL GET COMMUNICATIONS. SO THEY'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET OUR I DON'T KNOW OUR, OUR PARTNERSHIP, BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO SEE IF THEY CAN REALLY TRY TO HELP US WITH ANY DISASTER OR ANY NEEDS THAT WE CAN THAT WE NEED. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER FROM THEIR PRESENTATION THEY GAVE US RIGHT NOW, I THINK THAT THAT PRIORITY SYSTEM IS SET UP FOR TEXT, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING AT MOVING IT ALSO TO RIGHT THERE. STARLINK IS JUST TEXT RIGHT NOW. AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT LATE SUMMER TO ADD THE WHOLE PRIORITY SERVICE AS FAR AS BACKUP, FULLY BACKUP TO STARLINK. THERE IS A BACKUP PROGRAM, AND MANY OF US HAVE PROBABLY FORGOTTEN ABOUT OVER THE YEARS. I'M STILL HOOKED UP TO IT. THANKS FOR THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT BACKGROUND. IT'S CALLED GETS. GETS AND WHEN YOU SIGN UP ON GETS, YOU'RE YOU'RE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL OR A FIRST RESPONDER AND SO FORTH. YOU GET AUTOMATIC PRIMARY ACCESS FOR YOUR AREA. WENT TO APPROVED. AND I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT. I THINK MOST OF US HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT. YES, BUT THAT IS THAT IS A VERY GOOD PROGRAM. THERE'S ANOTHER NEW ONE COMING OUT ALONG WITH WORKS WITH GETS. AND I WAS AT A AT A MEETING NOT TOO LONG AGO, A COUPLE WEEKS BACK, AND WE WERE DISCUSSING IT AND I CHECKED MY PHONE AND I FOUND OUT I WAS STILL ON GET, SO I WAS A GOOD THING MY AT&T PHONE. BUT THIS YEAR I ADDED MY T-MOBILE PHONE AND I'VE HAD GOOD COVERAGE WITH IT. NO DROPS. AND I QUESTIONED SOME OF THEIR BILLING, BUT. I HAD AN AUTOMATIC PAY AND THEY DROPPED ME FOR SOME REASON ON MY AUTOMATIC PAY AND WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION. I DIDN'T DROP IT.

THEY DID IT. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE BILLING PRACTICES, BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD DEAL. I'VE NOT HAD A PROBLEM WITH COVERAGE ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THIS AS A VOLUNTARY BASIS, HOW DO PEOPLE THEN GO ABOUT SIGNING UP OR HOW DO WE DO THIS? I THINK EITHER STEPHEN OR THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE CAN SEND OUT A MEMO AND WE EITHER ACCEPT IT OR WE DON'T. WOULDN'T THAT BE SIMPLE? I'LL WORK WITH THE AUDITOR WITH THIS.

I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE PROBABLY THE DEPARTMENT TO DEPLOY AND ONBOARD PEOPLE, AND THEN I'LL WORK WITH PATRICK AS FAR AS VOLUNTEER PIECES. SO WANTS TO GIVE UP THEIR ALLOWANCE. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. I'LL GO WITH IT. YEAH. MR. SO STEVEN, ON THESE IF, IF IT'S VOLUNTARY EMPLOYEES SIGN ON. NORMA, COME OVER TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE. YEAH. PEOPLE CAN'T HEAR YOU ON. TO TALK TO THEM. SO IF IT'S ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS AND WE HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT SAY, I WANT TO GET ON IT AND SAY SIX MONTHS DOWN, THEY ARE NOT GETTING THE SERVICE OR THEY'RE

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NOT LIKING THE PROCESS ITSELF. AND THEY CAN THEY GET OFF OR THEY LOCKED IN FOR THE WHOLE YEAR BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE THAT SWITCH FROM EMPLOYEES, ESPECIALLY EVEN IF IT'S VOLUNTARY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE EMPLOYEES, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE THE SERVICE, THEY'RE NOT GETTING THEIR PHONE ALLOWANCE, BUT THEY'RE NOT GETTING THEIR CALLS. HOW DO YOU HANDLE THOSE? ARE WE LOCKED IN? WE REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THIS JUST TO GIVE A DATE AS FAR AS THE VOLUNTEER BASE. AND AFTER THAT THEN, YEAH, WE'D CUT IT OFF SO WE CAN SET UP A, AN ACTUAL. TEMPORARY TIME. I KNOW WE TALKED TO PATRICK ABOUT THAT. SO SEE HOW EVERYBODY'S ENJOYING IT OR LIKING IT OR NOT.

AND THEN JUST TAKE IT FROM THERE. THAT. CORRECT. SO AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS THE EMPLOYEES ARE MADE AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOCKED AND YOU'RE COMING IN, YOU ONLY HAVE SO MUCH TIME YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THEN WE GO BACK. BUT IF YOU DON'T, YOU'RE STUCK ON THERE AND THERE'S NO COMING BACK ON. CORRECT. IS THERE GOING TO BE A PROBLEM WITH THE SWITCH FOR OTHER CARRIERS? I HAVE A T-MOBILE PHONE THAT I'M GOING TO SWITCH OVER TO IT, SO IT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.

T-MOBILE. BUT THOSE THAT HAVE AT&T OR WHATEVER, THEY SAID THERE WOULDN'T BE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. AND NORMA, BEFORE YOU WALK AWAY, WHEN WE START SWITCHING INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE. SO LET'S SAY I SIGN UP AND SAY, YEP, I'D LIKE TO SWITCH OVER TO THE COUNTY PLAN. AND SO NOW MY CELL PHONE ALLOWANCE GOES AWAY. SO IS THERE A PROBLEM MID-YEAR CHANGING THAT. ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT? NO. THE ONLY THING WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS WHEN WE DO THAT SWITCH, DO IT ALL AT ONE TIME SO WE DON'T HAVE A TRICKLE ON THE 15TH, ANOTHER ONE ON THE 30TH, ANOTHER ONE. IT'S GOING TO BE ALL AT ONE TIME. IT STARTS ON THE DATE OF THE CONTRACT AND THEN WHATEVER, SAY SIX MONTHS OR WHATEVER DATE THEY DO, THE EXTENSION PART OF IT, THEN WE'LL KNOW WE DO IT ALL AT ONE TIME.

WE CAN'T DO THE STRAGGLERS. WE DON'T WANT TO MISS ANYBODY. IT MAKES IT KIND OF DIFFICULT FOR A PAYROLL TO CATCH UP WITH THAT. THAT'S MY CONCERN, IS IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A HANDFUL THAT SWITCH BACK AND. RIGHT. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A START DATE EVERYBODY THAT'S ON THE START DATE. SO WE KNOW TO DROP THE PHONE ALLOWANCE PART OF IT BECAUSE THEY'LL BE HAVING THEIR THIS OTHER PHONE AND THEN WHATEVER TIME IS GOING TO BE SET. AND THEN THE EMPLOYEES KNOW YOU HAVE THIS DEADLINE AND THEN ANY CHANGES WILL MAKE THEM AT THAT SAME TIME. BUT WE'LL DO IT ALL AT ONE TIME. NO STRAGGLERS. OBVIOUSLY, WHOEVER'S CREATING THIS MEMO KIND OF CAPTURE ALL THIS IN THERE SO THAT IT'S VERY CLEAR ON THE PROCESS. I'LL WORK WITH. RECOMMEND YOU NINTH, JUNE 9TH. WELL, BY THAT TIME, WE'LL BE BACK HERE TO REPORT JUNE 9TH IS GOING TO BE TOO QUICK. TOO QUICK. WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL I'LL WORK WE'LL WORK WITH STEVEN BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE JUST SOME TECHNICAL SIDE OF IT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHEN T-MOBILE AND ALL THAT CAN START. SO WE'LL WE'LL WORK TOGETHER AND WE'LL GET A DATE AND. WE'LL VERIFY.

OKAY. GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND TO PROCEED WITH THE CELL PHONE PLAN TO BE USED BY COUNTYWIDE.

JUDGE I WILL MAKE ONE FINAL COMMENT. STEVEN. I THINK IT WAS QUITE SOME TIME AGO THAT I ASKED YOU TO CONDUCT A STUDY TO SEE. YES, SIR. WHERE? WHAT WAS CHEAPER? CELL PHONE ALLOWANCES VERSUS CELL PHONE PLANS. SO I DO APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THIS ON. I KNOW WE'VE LOOKED AT IT A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES NOW AND IT'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK. SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR THE COUNTY TO SAVE SOME MONEY HERE. ONE OTHER COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THE DEVICES. ARE THEY INSURED IF THEY GET DAMAGED, OR IS IT OUT OF THE POCKET OF THE INDIVIDUAL, OR IS THE COUNTY GOING TO BE LIABLE FOR THOSE? OR HOW HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK? ALSO, IF THEY GO TO THE T-MOBILE PHONES, AND WILL THEY PORT OVER THEIR OTHER SERVICE? OR IS THIS JUST STRICTLY A SECONDARY SERVICE OR CARRY OR. RIGHT. SO FOR YOUR FIRST QUESTION, THAT ALL THE CARRIERS AT THE SAME THING, IT'S NOT COST EFFECTIVE TO PUT INSURANCE ON THE PHONE BECAUSE THEN YOU END UP PAYING DOUBLE OR TRIPLE ON IT AND THEN NEVER USING IT. SO IF YOU HAVE SOME DAMAGE, IT'D BE EASIER JUST TO PAY IT OUT OF POCKET, WHICH IS STILL SOME COST SAVINGS. AND THEN THE SECOND THING WAS THE COUNTY PAYING OUT OF POCKET. YES, SIR. YEAH. RIGHT. AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS THEY WOULD ADVISE NOT TO PORT OVER YOUR PERSONAL NUMBER. JUST DO A SECONDARY PHONE. THANK YOU. WELL, THOSE OF US THAT HAVE A SECONDARY PHONE FOR THAT, THAT WOULD WORK. YES, THAT WOULD WORK, SIR, BUT NOT YOUR PERSONAL PERSONAL NUMBER. IT WOULD NOT ADVISE THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SIR. DO YOU ALL UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE GOING TO THE TWO PHONE SYSTEM? YOU KNOW, THE FIRST MEETING THAT YOU GO TO WHEN YOU'RE ELECTED COMMISSIONER OR A

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COUNTY JUDGE, THE FIRST THING THEY WILL TELL YOU, YOU GOT TO HAVE ANOTHER PHONE. DO NOT USE YOUR PERSONAL PHONE AS YOUR BUSINESS PHONE, BECAUSE IF ANYTHING COMES UP, THEY'RE GOING TO GO CLAIM YOUR PERSONAL PHONE. AND IF THEY'LL LOOK THROUGH YOUR PERSONAL PHONE AND GATHER EVERYTHING THEY WANT TO OUT OF THERE. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO TWO PHONES. SO IF SOMETHING HAPPENS DURING THE BUSINESS PROCESS, ALL THEY'RE GOING TO ASK IS YOUR PERSONAL, I MEAN, YOUR BUSINESS PHONE TO DO BUSINESS ON. AND I'VE BEEN DOING IT HERE FOR AT LEAST A YEAR AND A HALF NOW WITH TWO PHONES. AND THAT'S ALL I DO ON THAT OTHER PHONE IS BUSINESS. WELL, JUDGE, IT WAS 1993. THAT WAS THE FIRST COUNTY EMPLOYEE TO HAVE A CELL PHONE. NO BUSINESS PHONES ON MY PERSONAL PHONE OR ANYTHING. SO IT HELPS EACH ONE OF US AND IT AS YOU CAN HEAR, IT'S GOING TO SAVE THE COUNTY SOME MONEY. SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA THAT WE GO TO IT AND GIVE IT A SHOT, SEE IF IT WORKS. OKAY OKAY. MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. OKAY. MOTION CARRIES.

[f. Discussion on converting from Ex Officio Road Commissioner System to a Road Superintendent System, also known as a Unit Road System, pursuant to Chapter 252 of the Texas Transportation Code.]

OKAY. ITEM 2.4, DISCUSSION ON CONVERTING FROM EX OFFICIO ROAD COMMISSIONER SYSTEM TO A ROAD SUPERINTENDENT SYSTEM, ALSO KNOWN AS THE UNIT ROAD SYSTEM. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 252 OF THE TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE. CHRIS, YOU HAVE STUDIED THIS CODE AND STUDIED THIS CODE.

MAYBE GO OVER IT A LITTLE BIT. I DID PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. WHAT'S WHAT'S IN THIS CODE THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER? WELL, IF YOU GO TO CHAPTER 252, OF COURSE I DIDN'T BRING IT WITH ME, BUT THERE ARE FOUR SUBCHAPTERS TO IT. THERE'S A, B, C, AND D, AND WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDER A, WHICH IS THE EX OFFICIO SYSTEM. AND IF YOU GO TO SUBCHAPTER D THAT'S KNOWN AS THE UNIT ROAD SYSTEM. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT JUDGE THE UNIT ROAD SYSTEM, YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY HAVE A SECTION WITHIN THE COUNTY FOR THAT. AND SO THERE'S ALSO SUBCHAPTER C WHERE THE IT'S REALLY CALLED THE ROAD SUPERINTENDENT SYSTEM. AND UNDER THE ROAD SUPERINTENDENT SYSTEM, THAT'S WHERE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS STILL HAVE OVERSIGHT OF THE ROAD. LIKE A BOARD LIKE A BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

BUT THEY HAND OVER MOST OF THAT AUTHORITY OF ROAD SUPERINTENDENT TO A ROAD SUPERINTENDENT SO THEY CAN. OH, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. SO UNDER SUBCHAPTER C, THANKFULLY COMMISSIONER SIKORSKI HANDED IT TO ME UNDER THE ROAD SUPERINTENDENT SYSTEM. THAT'S 252 .201. THAT'S WHERE IT'S VOLUNTARY. AND IT CAN BE THROUGH A VOTE OF THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. AND IT FUNCTIONS VERY SIMILARLY TO A UNIT ROAD SYSTEM AS YOU CAN. THE COMMISSIONERS COURT CAN ELECT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO HAVE SEVERAL SUPERINTENDENTS OR JUST ONE SUPERINTENDENT FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY. AND THERE'S THIS IF YOU GO TO THAT SECTION, THERE'S A SHALL CLAUSE THAT SAYS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS COURT SHALL GIVE THESE DUTIES TO THE ROAD.

SUPERINTENDENT. IT'S ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ENTIRE FOR THE ROADS OF THE COUNTY.

OKAY, OKAY. SO HOLD ON JUST A SECOND, BECAUSE EITHER I HAVE SOMETHING BACKWARDS OR YOU MAY HAVE LET ME JUST VERIFY THIS. SO I ACTUALLY MADE A LITTLE. CHEAT SHEET FOR MYSELF BECAUSE THIS THING IS NOT EASY TO READ JUST LIKE MOST LEGAL THINGS. SO THIS IS T. SO IF YOU DON'T JUDGE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL GIVE OUT TO EVERYBODY. IT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND HOW THIS THING WORKS.

SO, MR. DORSEY, IF I'M INCORRECT ON ANYTHING, I'M HAPPY TO DO YOU HAVE A COPY FOR ME? I CAN HAVE THE ACTUAL PIECE IF YOU WANT THIS. INSTEAD OF TRYING TO READ OFF THE PHONE, I GOT IT. THANK YOU. BUT HERE'S YOU. GOT ANYTHING FOR THE AUDIENCE? YOU HARDLY. WELL, I HAVE A FEW FOR.

ALL RIGHT, I CAN I CAN AMEND THE AGENDA OR AMEND THE MINUTES AND ADD THIS TO THE MINUTES WITH GRACIE, SO WE CAN ADD THAT. I WANT TO SEE WHAT'S IN BEFORE I. YES. I HAVE A COUPLE THESE ARE

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HIS NOTES AND THE ACTUAL TRANSPORTATION CODE. CHAPTER 252. MR. SO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO DESCRIBE BASICALLY THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. THE ONE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDER. IS WHAT IS, I BELIEVE, CHAPTER BE ON THAT. TRANSPORTATION CODE ITSELF, BUT IT'S THE ROAD COMMISSIONER SYSTEM OR THE PRECINCT SYSTEM AS WE CALL IT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING. SO THAT'S WHERE THE COMMISSIONERS ARE IN CHARGE OF OUR ROADS AND OUR PRECINCTS. THE NEXT ONE UP IS THE ROAD SUPERINTENDENT SYSTEM, ALSO CALLED THE UNIT ROAD SYSTEM. AND I BELIEVE THAT COMMISSIONERS COURT CAN EXECUTE THIS WITHOUT VOTER APPROVAL. THE THIRD ONE IS THE ROAD ADMINISTRATOR SYSTEM, OR KIND OF CALLED THE OPTIONAL COUNTY ROAD DEPARTMENT SYSTEM.

AND THAT IS THE ONE THAT THE VOTERS BRING TO US. SO IF I. CODE CORRECTLY, THAT'S HOW IT PLAYS OUT. SO IF YOU WANT THE OPTION OF DESCRIBES EACH ONE OF THOSE BRIEFLY. WELL THERE'S PROS AND CONS BECAUSE EACH ONE HAS PROS AND CONS. AND THEN THERE'S A COMPARISON AT THE BACK. YOU MISSED ONE. AND THE ONE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY HAS A ROAD ADMINISTRATOR PER PRECINCT. AND THAT'S NOT LIKE WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. BUT THAT'S ALSO ONE THAT'S IN THERE. AND WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS COMMISSIONERS DO THIS. AND WE DO THE ROADS AND BRIDGES. NOW, IF A COMMISSIONER PRECINCT DOESN'T HAVE THE MEN, THE MACHINERY SITS IN OUR LICENSE.

IT'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF EQUIPMENT SITTING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE IT MOBILIZED AND MOVED UNDER A ROAD SYSTEM. ONE ROAD SUPERVISOR GETS THE BUDGETS FROM ALL FOUR PRECINCTS, GETS ALL THE EQUIPMENT FROM ALL FOUR PRECINCTS, AND IT GETS UTILIZED. SO WE HAVE ROAD CREWS CONSTANTLY WORKING. WE'RE NOT GOING OUT AND PAYING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO PRIVATE ENTITIES TO REBUILD OUR ROADS THAT DON'T LAST. SO LOOKING AT THIS, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING THIS. AND LEGISLATURE HAS BEEN GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO GIVE US FOUR DIFFERENT WAYS. BUT I THINK THE UNIT ROAD SYSTEM WITH THE SUPERVISOR OVER ALL THE EQUIPMENT, ALL THE BUDGET AND BE ABLE TO PLAN OUT AND HAVE 5 OR 6 CREWS WORKING CONSTANTLY. CURRENTLY I HAVE MOUS WITH PRECINCT FOUR AND PRECINCT TWO NOW I'M STILL DOING THE WORK IN PRECINCT TWO AND PRECINCT FOUR, SO I'M PAYING TWICE OUT OF MY BUDGET. I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR. YOU KNOW, I GOT THE SECOND LARGEST PRECINCT IN THE COUNTY. RUBEN HAS THE LARGEST TWO AND FOUR AND SMALLEST. BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER, EQUIPMENT SITS IDLE. IT'S TIME TO GO FORWARD. I'LL REST MY CASE, IF I MAY ANSWER COMMISSIONER CHARLIE'S QUESTION, I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CHARLIE. I BELIEVE WE'RE UNDER SUBCHAPTER A, THE EX OFFICIO ROAD COMMISSIONER SYSTEM. THERE'S REALLY MY CONSTITUTIONAL LAW PROFESSOR WOULD CALL IT A DISTINCTION WITHOUT A DIFFERENCE. FRANKLY, THE UNDER SUBCHAPTER B, WHICH IS THE ROAD COMMISSIONER SYSTEM, WE HAVE NOT EMPLOYED ROAD COMMISSIONERS PER SE, BUT WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS ACTING AS SUPERINTENDENT. AND SO. WHICH MEANT THAT SUPERVISOR, WHICH. SUBSECTION DO YOU SEE US OPERATING TODAY? A SUBCHAPTER A. YEP. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SKI. I'VE GOT THE LARGEST PRECINCT. WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW DOES NOT WORK. WE NEED TO UTILIZE ALL THE EQUIPMENT. I MEAN, WE BUY A 300, $400,000 PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. IT NEEDS TO BE USED. WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, WE'RE PRECINCT THREE. HORRIBLE SHAPE AS FAR AS THE ROADS AND STUFF. AND FINALLY MAKING A TURN. BUT I NEED ADDITIONAL HELP TO CATCH UP. LET ME BRIEFLY GO THROUGH SUBCHAPTER C AND THE DUTIES AND POWERS OF ROAD SUPERINTENDENT. IF ONE IF YOU ELECT THIS, IF YOU CHOOSE TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD AND HIRE A ROAD SUPERINTENDENT, LET'S GO DOWN THE DUTIES THAT YOU CAN GIVE THEM. OKAY. AND I'M READING FROM SECTION 252 .205 OF THE TRANSPORTATION CODE. AND IT'S ON PAGE EIGHT OF COMMISSIONER YARDLEY'S HANDOUT WITH THE COPY OF THE CODE. SUBSECTION B, IT

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SUPERINTENDENT SHALL MAKE A SWORN REPORT TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT AT EACH REGULAR TERM OF THE COURT, SHOWING AT LEAST WHAT HIS REPORT SUPPOSED TO INCLUDE. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'D BE LIKE LIKE APRIL'S REPORT HERE. EVERY EVERY COMMISSIONERS COURT. BE OF 252207. A ROAD SUPERINTENDENT SHALL MAKE OTHER REPORTS AS REQUIRED BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. SO YOU CAN YOU CAN YOU CAN DIRECT THE ROAD COMMISSIONER AS TO WHAT YOU WANT REPORTS ON EVERY WEEK OR EVERY COMMISSIONERS COURT HEARING. 25228 SUPERVISION OF ROAD SUPERINTENDENT BY COMMISSIONERS. COURT WORK PERFORMED UNDER A ROAD SUPERINTENDENT IS SUBJECT TO THE GENERAL SUPERVISION OF THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. AGAIN, THAT GOES TO YOU. YOU'RE THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. HE'S YOUR HE'S YOUR PRESIDENT WORKING ON THE ROADS OR ROAD SUPERINTENDENT. WE'LL SKIP TO 092 TEN DIVISION OF COUNTY OR PRECINCT INTO ROAD. ROAD DISTRICTS. IF THE COMMISSIONERS COURT DIRECTS. ROAD SUPERINTENDENT SHALL DIVIDE THE ROAD SUPERINTENDENTS, COUNTY OR PRECINCT AND ROAD DISTRICTS, OR CONVENIENCE OF CONVENIENT SIZE TO FIND THE BOUNDARIES OF THE DISTRICTS AND DESIGNATE THE DISTRICTS BY NUMBER. THAT IS NOT MANDATORY. THAT IS UP TO YOU, UP TO YOUR DIRECTION. SO THAT'S AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE DISTRICTS, BUT IT COULD BE UP TO YOUR DIRECTION. IT'S A OPTIONAL I'M SORRY SIR, QUARTER OF THE COUNTY. YES, SIR. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. IT'S UP TO YOUR DIRECTION IF YOU WANT TO DO. IF YOU WANT TO GO DOWN THAT PATH, YOU CAN GO DOWN THAT PATH AND IT'S YOU CAN YOU CAN DEFINE IT INTO WHAT CONVENIENT SIZE TO FIND THE BOUNDARIES AND DESIGNATE DISTRICTS BY NUMBER. IT DOESN'T

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NECESSARILY HAVE TO FOLLOW PRECINCTS IN OUR COUNTY SHAPED. I WOULD I WOULD SAY IN EAST, MIDDLE AND WEST WOULD BE THE PROPERTY LOGICAL THING TO DO AS FAR AS THAT GOES. YES, SIR. AND LET'S GO DOWN TO 252 212 POWERS OF COMMISSIONERS COURT. ANY COUNTY THAT APPOINTS ONE OR MORE ROAD SUPERINTENDENTS. THAT GOES TO ONE OF MY ORIGINAL STATEMENTS. YOU CAN HAVE ONE ROAD SUPERINTENDENT OR YOU HAVE SEVERAL ROAD SUPERINTENDENTS. THE COMMISSIONERS COURT MAY AGAIN, THAT MAY MEAN, SINCE YOUR OPTION ONE PURCHASE OR HIRE THE ROAD MACHINERY, TOOLS, VEHICLES AND LABOR REQUIRED TO GRADE, DRAIN OR REPAIR THE ROADS OF THE COUNTY TO USE LABOR AND SPEND MONEY ON THE ROADS. AND THREE ADAPT AND ENFORCE REASONABLE NECESSARY ORDERS AND RULES FOR LAYING OUT WORKING ON IMPROVING THE PUBLIC ROADS. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE CONTROL OVER IT. WE STILL HAVE YOU STILL HAVE CONTROL OVER CONTRACTS UNDER TWO, TWO, 13, TWO, 14 GIVES YOU CONTROL OVER DONATIONS. 216 TALKS ABOUT DRAINAGE. THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WENT THROUGH ALL THE SUBCHAPTER C, WHICH IT'S UP TO YOUR DISCRETION ON THAT. BUT THAT'S ONE IF YOU WANT TO DO IT. THAT'S THE ONE I'D RECOMMEND FOR WHAT WE CALL WE'VE CALLED A TRADITIONAL ROAD SYSTEM IS SUBCHAPTER D, COUNTY ROAD DEPARTMENT SYSTEM. BUT THE COUNTY I'M RECOMMENDING, SUBCHAPTER C, WHAT I JUST WENT THROUGH THE ROAD SUPERINTENDENT SYSTEM, YOUR HONOR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NOW, I THINK WE HAVE WHAT YOU'VE BEEN HEARING. AS FAR AS AUDITOR'S OFFICE GOES. I'D ASK YOU PROBABLY AN ASSET OF 20, 25 MILLION WORTH OF EQUIPMENT SITTING OUT IN FOUR PRECINCTS. PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE MY ESTIMATE BASED ON THE FOUR PRECINCTS. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS HAVING TO PURCHASE EQUIPMENT, WE HAVE EQUIPMENT WE CAN'T USE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER BECAUSE THE SITUATION IS THAT THEY'RE EITHER SHORT PRECINCT OR A LARGE PRECINCT, LARGER PRECINCTS GOING TO USE THE EQUIPMENT, SMALLER PRECINCT, MANPOWER WISE, YOU KNOW, HE CAN PUT THREE CREWS OUT. I CAN ONLY PUT ONE. LET ME REAL BRIEFLY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. LET ME GO REAL BRIEFLY. JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, GO TO SUBCHAPTER D, THE COUNTY ROAD DEPARTMENT SYSTEM IN SUBCHAPTER D, SECTION 252301. IT'S A COUNTY MAY ADOPT THIS SUBCHAPTER AT AN ELECTION HELD AS PROVIDED BY THE SECTION SUBSECTION B SAYS THE COMMISSIONERS COURT SHALL SUBMIT THE QUESTION WHETHER TO ADOPT THE SUBCHAPTER TO THE VOTERS OF THE COUNTY. IN OTHER WORDS, SUBCHAPTER D REQUIRES A VOTE, REQUIRES YOU TO SUBMIT IT TO THE VOTERS OF THE COUNTY. IF WE GO, IF WE GO TO THAT. YES, SIR, THAT TYPE OF A ROAD SYSTEM. BUT THE SYSTEM WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE COUNTY ROAD SUPERVISOR WOULD NOT REQUIRE A VOTE. AND IT CAN BE DONE BY THE COMMISSIONERS COURT. AND YOU COULD ALSO CHANGE IT IF YOU IF YOU LIKE, SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT WORKING. YOU CAN COME BACK FROM SUBCHAPTER C AND SAY, WE WANT TO GO BACK TO SUBCHAPTER A, BUT IF WE GET A VOTE ON IT, IT CAN'T BE CHANGED WITHOUT WITHOUT ANOTHER VOTE OR SOMETHING SIMILAR. THAT'S CORRECT. COMMISSIONER, I'D LIKE TO STATE FOR THE RECORD. SO JUST TO BE FOR TRANSPARENT, I'VE GOT OVER $1 MILLION WORTH OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE DO NOT USE. THAT'S BRAND NEW. TOO BIG, JUST MAMMOTH. I MEAN, IT'S JUST A WASTE OF MONEY. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRADE IT IN AND, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LICKING ON THAT.

HAVING SOMEBODY IN CHARGE, KNOWING WHAT TYPE OF EQUIPMENT TO BUY AND SPENDING OUR MONEY PROPERLY IS PREDECESSOR STUFF WE JUST BOUGHT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE NEED. WELL, FINALLY, I'D CONCLUDE WITH SAYING IT'S UP TO YOUR DISCRETION IF YOU WANT TO GO TO UNIT ROAD DISTRICT, IF YOU WANT TO VOLUNTARILY GO TO THIS UNIT TYPE SYSTEM, YOU CAN GO THROUGH SUBCHAPTER. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT AND RESEARCH IT. IS IT ONLY FOR DISCUSSION? YEP. OKAY.

SO JUDGE, LAST TIME THIS CAME UP FOR DISCUSSION WE HAD TALKED ABOUT GOING TO SEE OTHER COUNTIES THAT ARE USING THESE SYSTEMS, OR AT LEAST REACH OUT TO THEM AND FIND OUT HOW IT WORKS FOR THEM, WHAT DOESN'T WORK, THAT TYPE OF THING. HAVE WE DONE ANY? I'VE BEEN TO THREE COUNTIES. YEAH. BEEN TO BE COUNTY. BEEN TO UVALDE COUNTY. TALKED WITH NUECES COUNTY, ARANSAS COUNTY I'VE MADE PHONE CALLS TO TAKE EVERYBODY ON. I TAKE MYSELF WHEN I GO TALK OR ONE OTHER. WELL, IT'D BE NICE IF THE COMMISSIONERS COURT WAS INVOLVED WITH THIS, SINCE WE'RE THE ONES TRYING TO MAKE THIS DECISION. I WAS INVOLVED, I PICKED UP THE PHONE AND MADE PHONE CALLS, SO I TOOK IT UPON MY HOMEWORK, DONE THE SAME THING. BUT AS A COURT, I WOULD THOUGHT THAT OUR PLAN WAS WE WERE GOING TO GO LOOK AT SOME OF THESE OTHER COUNTIES. WE DID.

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AND LIKE I SAID, WE DIDN'T WANT TO VIOLATE QUORUM. SO I WENT OUT ON MY OWN. VIOLATE QUORUM. IF YOU SIMPLY POST A POSTING THAT WE'RE GOING TO MEET SOMEBODY, I UNDERSTAND VIOLATION, I MEAN IT.

ALRIGHT. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS WE HAVE TO DISCUSS AS A COURT. FIRST OF ALL, IF WE GO TO THE ROAD SUPERINTENDENT SYSTEM, THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO HIRE THE ROAD SUPERINTENDENT, OBVIOUSLY.

AND THEN WE GOT TO DETERMINE WHICH OF THESE FUNCTIONS ARE GOING TO FALL UNDER THAT ROAD.

SUPERINTENDENT. SO IN OTHER WORDS, DO THE PRECINCTS STILL DO ANY ROAD MAINTENANCE AT ALL, ANY RIGHT OF WAY MAINTENANCE AT ALL, OR IS THAT ALL FALL UNDER THE ROAD, SUPERINTENDENT. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO HIRE A ROAD SUPERINTENDENT AND TAKE ON THOSE DUTIES THAT TYPICALLY FALL UNDER THE PRECINCTS, DOES THAT MEAN THE COMMISSIONERS NOW TAKE SOME SORT OF PAY ADJUSTMENT DOWN SO THAT THAT MONEY GOES TO PAY FOR THE ROAD? SUPERINTENDENT? I MEAN, THESE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE SHOULD BE HAVING. ARE YOU ASKING ME, COMMISSIONER? I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S A POLITICAL QUESTION. TASKS AWAY FROM THE COMMISSIONERS. IF MY IF MY ONE OF MY PRIMARY DUTIES IS ROAD AND BRIDGE MAINTENANCE AND CONSTRUCTION AND I'M NO LONGER DOING THAT, AND NOW THE COUNTY HAS TO HIRE A ROAD SUPERINTENDENT, WE HAVE TO PAY THAT PERSON A SALARY. AND HE'S PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER STAFF HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE. SO. I, I SEE THE POTENTIALS FOR SAVINGS OF NOT DUPLICATING EVERYTHING IN FOUR PRECINCTS. THAT PART I SEE.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER PARTS OF THIS THAT WE NEED TO BEGIN DISCUSSING. AND I DID HAVE TWO PEOPLE REACH OUT TO ME OVER THE WEEKEND WITH CONCERNS ON THIS, BECAUSE THEY ARE QUITE SATISFIED WITH THE SERVICE THEY'RE GETTING UNDER THE CURRENT SYSTEM, AND THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT IF WE SWITCH TO ANOTHER SYSTEM, THAT THEY WON'T HAVE THE SAME ABILITY TO REACH OUT TO THEIR COMMISSIONER WHEN THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THEIR ROADS. SO THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE HAPPY WITH THE SYSTEM WE HAVE NOW, I GUESS, IS THE WAY TO LOOK. I WOULD SAY YES. AND YOU TALK TO TWO PEOPLE. I TALKED TO HUNDREDS OUT THERE ALL THE TIME, ESPECIALLY THE FARMERS. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT DEAL WITH THE MOST OF THE COUNTY ROADS, PEOPLE INSIDE THE CITIES, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY DRIVE ON COUNTY ROADS, BUT THESE FARMERS OUT THERE ARE WORKING EVERY DAY, DAY IN AND DAY OUT AND LIVE ON THOSE COUNTY ROADS. WELL, THE TWO TREES IN HORRIBLE SHAPE TO ME OVER THE WEEKEND LIVE IN THE COUNTY. THOSE ARE JUST THE TWO THAT CONTACTED ME AND I'M SURE THAT THERE'S OTHERS OUT THERE. BUT MY POINT IS, THIS IS A BIG DECISION. THIS CHANGES A LOT OF THINGS IN OUR COUNTY, AND WE SHOULD BE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO EXECUTE THIS IF WE GO DOWN THIS PATH. WELL, THAT'S WHY WE'RE STARTING THIS EARLY WITH BUDGET APPROACHES AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS. WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS BEFORE THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. THE NEW BUDGET COMES IN JANUARY 1ST. WE NEED TO HAVE THIS IN PLACE WHEN WE DO OUR BUDGETS FOR THE COMMISSIONERS. SO DO WE HAVE ANY SORT OF REPORT FROM THE COUNTIES YOU'VE REACHED OUT TO? I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S COUNTIES USING THE ROAD SUPERINTENDENT SYSTEM.

COMMISSIONER YARDLEY, I'VE REACHED OUT TO PERSONALLY REACHED OUT TO THE COUNTY ENGINEER FOR NUECES COUNTY. HE SENT ME SOME DOCUMENTS ON THAT. I'VE ALSO PERSONALLY REACHED OUT TO ARANSAS COUNTY AND BE COUNTY ROAD SUPERINTENDENTS AND ENGINEERS. I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY REPORTS FROM THEM. HOWEVER, WE'VE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. SAME FOR THE UVALDE COUNTY. WELL VISIT VISIT VISITING THOSE COUNTIES OUT THERE IN BEE COUNTY, UVALDE COUNTY AND ARANSAS COUNTY. THEY LOVE IT. THEY, THEY THEY WOULDN'T GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER ROAD SYSTEM FOR ANY MONEY IN THE WORLD WHEN I'M TALKING TO THEM AND IT SAVES THE COUNTY MONEY, ALL THE EQUIPMENT GETS UTILIZED IN PERSONNEL WORKS AS ONE. IT'S A WONDERFUL THING YOU DON'T HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT PRECINCTS OUT THERE. YOU KNOW, WHERE WHERE SOME ARE GETTING A LOT DONE AND SOME ARE GETTING NOTHING DONE. OF COURSE. AM I REACHING OUT? I FOCUSED ON NOT THE PRACTICAL ASPECTS BECAUSE THAT'S A THAT'S YOUR POLITICAL QUESTION. BUT I'VE REACHED OUT FOR THE LEGAL ASPECTS. WHAT IS THE LEGAL FORMAT OR FORMALITIES WE NEED TO FOLLOW ON THIS? WELL, I ASSUME THAT ALL THESE OTHER COUNTIES, WHEN THEY DID CONVERT FROM PRECINCT TO SUPERVISOR, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME LESSONS LEARNED THAT WE COULD CAPITALIZE ON TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER ROADBLOCKS OR HICCUPS THEY HAD IN THE PROCESS, WE COULD TRY TO AVOID SOME OF THAT. THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT I WOULD THINK WE'D BE TRYING TO. I KNOW JUDGE KREBS HAS ALSO REACHED OUT TO TRIMMER WOMACK, OUR TAC REPRESENTATIVE, AS TO LESSONS LEARNED AND WHATNOT AS WELL. YEAH, HE SAID, THE ONES THAT HE'S TALKED TO, THEY HAVE NO ISSUES. THEY HAD NO ISSUES WHEN THEY GOT IT INSTITUTED. WELL, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE. SO WHEN THIS IS ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION, I WOULD. AND IF WE

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DIDN'T, WE BELIEVE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTIES. I KIND OF LIKE TO SEE A REPORT ON WHAT COUNTIES WE'VE TALKED TO AND WHAT I MEAN, GIVE US A REPORT. I MEAN, ALL WE DID WAS TALK, ASK WHAT PROBLEMS THEY HAD, AND ALL THEY WOULD SAY IS NO PROBLEM. IT WENT OVER OVERWHELMINGLY, WAS IN FAVOR ONCE WE GOT IT GOING. I DIDN'T TAKE A STENOGRAPHER. SO. EVEN UVALDE COUNTY, THAT'S A MUCH LARGER COUNTY THAN WE ARE, SAID THERE WAS NO ISSUES WITH THEM. RIGHT. SO I'M TRYING TO THINK BACK THE FIRST TIME WE DISCUSSED ALL THIS. SO I DON'T WANT TO COME OFF SOUNDING THAT I'M AGAINST THIS, BECAUSE WHAT I'VE SAID SINCE DAY ONE WAS I'M WILLING TO LOOK AT ANYTHING. I'M WILLING TO INVESTIGATE ANYTHING. I'M WILLING TO LOOK AT ALL OPTIONS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE GOING, WE'RE SELECTING ONE OF. THESE, THAT WE FULLY VETTED IT, AND WE.

FULLY. UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS WE'RE GETTING INTO AND WHAT HOW WE'RE GOING TO EXECUTE THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S MY CONCERN, EXECUTING IT. WE HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER, I THINK. CHRIS HAS READ OFF INNER 11 ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS WHEN WE PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER TO BRING IT BACK.

AND I'LL FOLLOW YOUR DIRECTION ON THAT, THE COURT'S DIRECTION, WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO 2030. I MEAN, YOU LOOK WHAT THE 2020 ELECTION DID TO THIS COUNTY IN TWO PRECINCTS. WHAT IS IT, 2020 ELECTION, I MEAN, 2030 ELECTIONS GOING TO DO TO THOSE SAME TWO PRECINCTS? WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHERE THE TAXPAYERS, THE TAXPAYERS, NEED TO GET THEIR MONEY'S WORTH. THE FARMERS NEED TO GET THEIR MONEY'S WORTH. YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THIS COUNTY AND WE HAVE A LOT OF INDUSTRY IN THIS COUNTY, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT OUR FARMERS ARE OUR BACKBONE. AND THEN NOT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT FACT OUT THERE, THE COUNTY ROADS RUN BY THE ALL THE FARMLANDS AND SO FORTH THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, THEY NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE, TAKEN CARE OF OUT THERE. YOU KNOW, THE SITUATION IS YOU KNOW WHAT? HOW MUCH MANPOWER DOES IT TAKE TO A COUNTY ROAD? HOW MUCH, HOW MANY, HOW MUCH MANPOWER DOES IT TAKE TO DO A CREW? I'VE JUST HAD TO PULL ONE OF MY MEN OUT BEFORE THIS NEW SYSTEM THAT WE GOT COMING. PLACE TO WHERE WE DOCUMENT ALL THE MAINTENANCE MAN. HOURS AND HOURS THAT IT TAKES US TO DO ROADS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, ALL OF OUR EQUIPMENT, AND WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH NUTS AND BOLTS WE HAVE IN OUR SUPPLY LINE. AND IT'S ALMOST GOING TO BE A FULL TIME JOB JUST KEEPING TRACK OF ALL THE MAINTENANCE THAT'S BEING DONE ON THE EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND LOG IT INTO THE COMPUTER SYSTEM. NOW IT'S A GOOD SYSTEM. I THINK IT'LL SAVE THE COUNTY A LOT OF MONEY IN THE LONG RUN, BUT IT STILL TAKES MANPOWER TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, AND UNDER UNIT ROAD SYSTEM, THEY CAN ONE PERSON COULD PROBABLY DO IT FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY. YEAH. I HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY IN MY PRECINCT SAY THEY, THEY LIKE OUR SYSTEM OR OUR ROADS. SO WE NEED TO CHANGE A FEW. THE LOCAL FARMERS OUT HERE. ANY OF Y'ALL WANT TO SPEAK? NO NO, NO. I STATE YOUR NAME, MR. REARDON. BOBBY REEDER I'M IN THE SOUTH OF THE WEST SIDE OF THE COUNTY. AND TO ME, IT MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE TO HAVE A UNIT ROAD SYSTEM WHERE ALL THE EQUIPMENT CAN BE UTILIZED WHEREVER IT'S NEEDED AND SPREAD OUT, AND THE SAME WITH THE CREWS WITHOUT NOTICE ON SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT THE COUNTY IN PARTICULAR IT SEEMS TO BE HAVE A UNIT ROAD SYSTEM, AND THE ROADS ARE FAR SUPERIOR TO WHAT WE HAVE. AND I THINK IT'D BE GREAT IF WE COULD AT LEAST TRY A NEW SYSTEM, PLAY IT SELVES. WE COULD SWITCH OVER TO THAT SYSTEM, AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK WELL, THEN IT COULD BE CHANGED. BUT IF WE DON'T TRY IT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW IT DOESN'T DOESN'T WORK. SO WE AT LEAST OUGHT TO TRY IT. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOING TO SAVE THE COUNTY A LOT OF MONEY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU BOB.

I'M CHARLES RING. I LIVE IN SAINT PAUL, SO I'M IN THE WEST END OF THE COUNTY FARM. BOUGHT A FEW ACRES IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THAT AREA, AND WE HAVE WE'VE HAD DAMAGE TO CARS GOING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD AT TIMES, AND IT'S JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE WE CAN'T MAINTAIN THAT BIG AN AREA. IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME THAT WE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY A QUARTER OF THE COUNTY. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WORKS, BUT AS POPULATION GROWS, IT'S GOING TO BE BUNCHED UP ON THE FAR END OF THE COUNTY. SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE PRECINCTS? WE NEED THE ROADS MANAGED EQUALLY ACROSS THE WHOLE

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COUNTY SO FAR. WITH THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE'VE GOT THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE, YOU JUST CAN'T COVER IT ALL. I'VE WATCHED IT. I'VE BEEN THERE. WHEN THEY'RE WORKING IN FRONT OF ME, IT'S JUST DIFFICULT. AND THIS FARM BUREAU, I SAY FARM BUREAU, NOT ONLY THE FARM BUREAU, BUT THE ORGANIZATIONS I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN HAVE SUPPORTED THIS FOR YEARS AND YEARS. AND WE NEED A CHANGE.

SOMETHING THAT'S EFFICIENT. AND THIS IS AT LEAST A GOAL OR AN ANSWER. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MR. I'M BOBBY NED BARLEY. I LIVE JUST NORTH OF SINTON AND FARM FROM MATHIS TO PORTLAND. I WANTED TO COMMENT, MR. YARDLEY. WE BROUGHT THIS UP IN JANUARY, SO THERE'S BEEN ADEQUATE TIME TO INVESTIGATE THAT ISSUE ABOUT A UNIT ROAD SYSTEM. I THINK FROM THE FIRST OF THE YEAR THIS YEAR, I DIDN'T KEEP A SCORE, BUT I BET WE'VE SPENT OVER $1 MILLION ON EQUIPMENT FOR DIFFERENT PRECINCTS, AND EVERY PRECINCT CAN'T AFFORD THAT KIND OF EXPENDITURES. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW, IS YOU'RE DUPLICATING SOME OF THOSE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT AND CERTAINLY NOT UTILIZING YOUR EMPLOYEES ADEQUATELY. MAYBE YOU'RE UTILIZING YOUR EMPLOYEES ADEQUATELY, BUT FOR THE AMOUNT OF EMPLOYEES THAT THE COUNTY HAS DOING ROAD WORK, IT'S GOT A LOT OF ROOM FOR EFFICIENCY TO BE IMPROVED. I GUESS THE WORST THING ABOUT ALL OF THIS IS WHAT JUDGE KREBS WAS SPEAKING ABOUT, IS THAT PRECINCTS DIVIDED BY POPULATION WILL NOT ALLOW THIS COUNTY TO GO FORWARD IN YEARS TO COME. SO WE'VE GOT TO MAKE A CHANGE IN THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS. IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WORKS UNDER THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE NOW, AND THERE'S NO REASON THAT I SEE THAT WE COULD EXPECT THE SYSTEM, THAT WE HAVE TO GO FORWARD EFFICIENTLY. EVENTUALLY THERE'LL BE NEW COMMISSIONERS SITTING HERE, SOME OF THEM WILL BE SKILLED AND SOME OF THEM WON'T. AND THOSE THAT ARE NOT SKILLED WITH EITHER MANAGING PEOPLE OR MANAGING THEIR MONEY ARE GOING TO WASTE MONEY FOR THIS COUNTY.

AND THIS COUNTY DOESN'T DESERVE TO HAVE THAT KIND OF LEADERSHIP. THAT'S WITH THAT MUCH AUTHORITY.

SO WE NEED TO GET THE AUTHORITY SET WHERE THE COMMISSIONERS COURT CAN OVERSEE THE ROAD WORK AND THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT COMMISSIONERS HAVE NOW. SO I URGE YOU TO GET WITH THIS PROGRAM TO MAKE US A UNIT ROAD SYSTEM THAT WORKS. IT CAN BE MODIFIED A LITTLE BIT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO FOLLOW A PLAN THAT'S USED IN ANY OTHER COUNTIES, BUT IT IT NEEDS TO BE PUT TOGETHER SO THAT YOU'RE MANAGING THE MONEY AND THE EMPLOYEES AND THE COST OF THE COUNTY ROAD WORK, PARTICULARLY BEING EFFICIENT. PLEASE MAKE THIS MOVE EFFECTIVE THIS YEAR SO WE CAN GET IT IN THE BUDGET AND BE READY TO GO WITH IT IN JANUARY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. NEVILLE. ANYBODY ELSE? JUDGE, CAN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT ELECTION? YES, MA'AM. WITH IT.

YOU WANT TO MOTIVATE? I'M. I'M NOT HERE TO HAVE PROS OR CONS AGAINST IT. ALL I WANT TO SAY IS THAT WHEN WE DO THE CENSUS, AND I'VE BEEN THROUGH TWO CENSUSES SINCE I'VE BEEN IN THIS OFFICE, AND I GET THE PHONE CALLS THAT WANT TO KNOW WHY COMMISSIONER TWO DOESN'T DO ANY WORK BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY ROADS. AND SO. OR WHY AM I VOTING FOR THIS COMMISSIONER WHEN THIS OTHER COMMISSIONER IS DOING MY ROAD WORK? AND SO I THINK THAT ELIMINATES ALL THOSE CALLS AND HELPS PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHEN WE HAVE SENSES, IT'S OKAY BECAUSE ALL FOUR COMMISSIONERS WILL BE WORKING TOGETHER. IT HELPS ME ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT I GET, AND I GET

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A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT COMMISSIONERS AND ROADS. THANK YOU MA'AM, THANK YOU MA'AM.

THANK YOU MISS. OKAY. OUR DISCUSSION LET US START WORKING. GET EVERYTHING TOGETHER WITH CHRIS. SO WHAT IS OUR NEXT STEP? OUR NEXT STEP IS START WORKING ON OUR PROCESS. WE'RE GOING TO DO OH BEFORE I FORGET, YOU KNOW ANOTHER REASON WHY WE'LL NEED A ROAD SUPERINTENDENT JOHN, OUR ENGINEER RIGHT NOW IS SO OVERLOADED WITH WORK. WE'VE GOT HIM DOING ALL THE CONSTRUCTION AND A LOT OF THE ROAD WORK, YET HE IS JUST OVERLOADED. HE NEEDS SOME HELP. EITHER HE NEEDS TO BECOME THE ROAD SUPERINTENDENT, OR HE NEEDS TO BECOME JUST AN ENGINEER. BECAUSE WE GOT THE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET. ONCE THAT'S COMPLETED, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE RENOVATION OF THE COURTHOUSE. HE'LL BE OVERSEEING THAT. AND ONCE THAT'S COMPLETED, IF HE'S STILL AROUND AND HADN'T RETIRED ON IT, HE'LL BE HE'LL BE TAKING CARE OF THE BUILDING OF THE NEW JAIL. SO ONE PERSON'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF IT. THAT'S WHY A ROAD SUPERINTENDENT IS GOING TO BE THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK ON FIRST. SO THE GRANT WORK WE GOT, THAT'S ALL THE GRANT WORK WE GOT COMING. YEAH. WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A WORKSHOP ON BASICALLY ON WHAT THE WHAT WILL GO INTO THE RESOLUTION FOR THE COURT TO ACTUALLY GO TO A ROAD SYSTEM.

AND I THINK AT THAT TIME WE'LL HAVE OUR INPUT IN, IN WHAT HE'LL ACTUALLY DO OR HE OR SHE WILL ACTUALLY DO, BECAUSE I'M NOT RULING OUT WON'T BE A WOMAN IN CHARGE OF IT. BUT THE SITUATION IS, I WANT TO GET THIS DONE BEFORE WE ACTUALLY ESTABLISH OUR BUDGET FOR 2026, BECAUSE I NEED TO KNOW WHICH WAY I'M GOING ON. THAT BUDGET PROCESS STARTS JUNE THE 9TH. THAT'S RIGHT. SO WE WE'VE GOT TO MOVE PRETTY QUICK ON THIS. AND LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, THE SITUATION IS IF WE VOTE TO GO TO A UNIT ROAD SYSTEM AND THIS TYPE OF SYSTEM, WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND TAKE IT OUT. BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO FIND THAT WE'RE ALL GOING TO LOVE IT. THAT'S THE GOOD PART OF US PUTTING IT IN THE COURT IS IT CAN BE REMOVED. AS MR. REEDER SAID, IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE'LL REMOVE IT. I THINK ALL THE OTHER OPTIONS, IF IT GOES TO A VOTE, THEN IT HAS TO GO TO A VOTE FOR US TO GET TO TAKE IT BACK OUT. WHICH IS GOING TO COST MONEY. THE LAW, IMPLEMENT THE LAW AND IMPLEMENTATION ON IT IS PRETTY, PRETTY VAGUE. IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S NO OFFICIAL ORDER. ALL I NEED IS DIRECTION FROM THE COURT AS A WHOLE AS TO WHAT DIRECTION YOU WANT ME TO DO, AND I CAN PREPARE ORDERS. WE CAN DO WITH THE SOONER WE GET WITH HR. AND IF YOU WANT TO HIRE A ROAD SUPERINTENDENT, WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL. OKAY? YEAH, WELL, WE CAN PREPARE ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU NEED THERE. YOU'LL BE BACK ON JUNE THE 2ND WITH IT. HOW'S THAT? YES, SIR. IF YOU GIVE ME SOME DIRECTION, I'LL PREPARE THE DOCUMENTS AND HAVE IT READY TO ROLL. PLEASE DO SO.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO EVERYONE THAT DISCUSSION. OKAY, WE'LL GO

[3. PERSONNEL-Employment and current employee status changes in accordance with the current personnel policies, County Budget, and State law with notification of such changes to the payroll division of the Treasurer's office.]

INTO PERSONNEL 3.1 A ALBERT GARZA SALINAS TERMINATION. JUVENILE SUPERVISION OFFICER JUVENILE DETENTION. FULL TIME REGULAR NONEXEMPT GRADE 107, STEP. ONE $3,523.09 PER MONTH.

OKAY. WITH A $50 PER MONTH PHONE ALLOWANCE 3.1 B AMANDA MENDEZ. TERMINATION. DISTRICT CLERK.

DEPUTY CLERK THREE. JUSTICE OF THE PEACE. NUMBER EIGHT. FULL TIME REGULAR NONEXEMPT GRADE 105. STEP ONE AT $3,077.20 PER MONTH, EFFECTIVE MAY 7TH OF 2025. 3.1 C ERNEST TORRES, TERMINATION HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATOR ONE ROAD AND BRIDGE THREE FULL TIME REGULAR NONEXEMPT GRADE 105 STEP ONE $3,077.20 PER MONTH EFFECTIVE MAY 6TH, 2025. 3.1 D MARK RICHARD'S RESIGNATION. MECHANIC ROAD AND BRIDGE THREE FULL TIME REGULAR NONEXEMPT GRADE 108 STEP 11 AT $5,654.66 PER MONTH, EFFECTIVE MAY THE 12TH, 2025 3.1 E JOE RIVAS, JUNIOR TRANSFER MAINTENANCE ASSISTANT ONE COUNTY PARK FULL TIME REGULAR NONEXEMPT GRADE 104 STEP ONE $2,875.89 PER MONTH WITH A $50 PER MONTH PHONE ALLOWANCE TO HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATOR. ROAD AND BRIDGE THREE.

FULL TIME REGULAR NONEXEMPT GRADE 105 STEP ONE 3713 $3,077.20. EFFECTIVE MAY 16TH,

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2025. 3.1 F TIER LAMAS SALARY PROMOTION POSITION CHANGE DEPUTY CLERK, COUNTY DEPUTY COUNTY CLERK TWO. JUSTICE OF THE PEACE EIGHT. FULL TIME REGULAR NONEXEMPT GRADE 104. STEP TWO AT $3,058.27 PER MONTH. DEPUTY CLERK COUNTY CLERK THREE FULL TIME REGULAR NONEXEMPT GRADE 105. STEP ONE AT $3,185.19 PER MONTH, EFFECTIVE MAY 16TH, 2025 AND 3.1 G. TONYA CANNON, EMPLOYMENT CLERK, TP MCCAMPBELL AIRPORT, PART TIME REGULAR NONEXEMPT GRADE 103. STEP ONE AT $15.80 PER HOUR, EFFECTIVE JUNE 2ND, 2025. MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS 3.1 A THROUGH 3.1 G.

SECOND YEAH. SECOND. I'D LIKE TO CORRECT THAT. OH, OKAY. ON WHICH ONE IS THAT ON 3.1 E YES, 3.1 E.

WE NEED TO REMOVE THAT PHONE ALLOWANCE. IT'S NOT ON THERE. WHEN WE DID THE WHEN WE DID THE TRANSFER WE DIDN'T PUT IT IS ON THE FIRST BECAUSE HE HAD PHONE ALLOWANCE WHEN WE TRANSFERRED HIM OVER. HE DOES NOT HAVE PHONE ALLOWANCE BUT IT'S ON HERE. IT'S ON HERE I'M JUST TAKING IT IS AT THE BEGINNING. IT IS BECAUSE HE'S IN THAT POSITION WITH A PHONE ALLOWANCE. THERE'S NO TRANSFERRED HIM OVER TO HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATOR. FULL TIME NONEXEMPT WITH A SALARY. THAT'S IT. NO PHONE ALLOWANCE. WE'RE GOOD, WE'RE GOOD, WE'RE GOOD, WE'RE GOOD. ON THE SECOND PART, WE'RE GOOD. THREE. OH, OKAY. HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE.

AYE. SIGN NO. EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS MORNING. MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND, SECOND. GONZALEZ TO ADJOURN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION ADJOURNED. 10:17 A.M.

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